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Title P.Herc. 1612
Work Philodemus, De rhetorica 1
Content Philodemus; De rhetorica (peri rhetorikes) (Comparetti)
Reference Edition 83856. Siegfried Sudhaus, Philodemi Volumina Rhetorica, (Lipsiae 1896). fr. 1 fr. 2 fr. 3 fr. 4 fr. 5 fr. 6 fr. 7 fr. 8 fr. 9 fr. 10 fr. 11 fr. 12 fr. 13 fr. 14
Previous Edition 83870. Herculanensium Voluminum quae supersunt. Collectio altera, (Napoli 1876).
Fragments P.Herc. 1612 fr. 1; P.Herc. 1612 fr. 2; P.Herc. 1612 fr. 3; P.Herc. 1612 fr. 4; P.Herc. 1612 fr. 5; P.Herc. 1612 fr. 6; P.Herc. 1612 fr. 7; P.Herc. 1612 fr. 8; P.Herc. 1612 fr. 9...
Support Material papyrus
Date I v. Chr.
More from the period between 100 BCE and 1 BCE
Origin Herculaneum (Campania, Italy) oder Italy (?)
More from Herculaneum (Campania, Italy) oder Italy (?)
Place Stored (Ancient) Pisones,  Herculaneum,  Italy
Form and Layout papyrus roll
Genre prose; philosophy
Culture literature
Religion classical
Images chartes.it/.../1636
Availability © Digital Corpus of Literary Papyri. This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License.

Trismegistos: 62489 [source]

Publications Herculanensium voluminum Collectio altera (VH2) 11 p. 112-118 (1876)
Inv. no. Naples, Biblioteca Nazionale 109038/1588
Date BC 99 - 1
Language Greek
Provenance Italy, Campania - Herculaneum (Ercolano)[found]; Italy[written]

Introduction

NB This papyrus is part of TM 62474, Philodemus De rhetorica 1. This text was based on Sudhaus' previous edition by Marcel Moser and revised by Vincenzo Damiani as part of the Project Anagnosis and the Würzburger Zentrum für Epikureismusforschung

DCLP transcription: 62489 [xml]

fragment 1P.Herc. 1612 fr. 1
Sketched 1844 by Francesco Celentano
Engraved 1846 by Domenico Casanova

με
τυνα
καὶ Ὅμηρο[ς]
τι γ' αἰσχροτε̣
5ν̣τυχηκεν
λ̣αινων δ̣
τοιοῦτον ε
δυσαρε   ̣
φοιν ελ
10διδασκατ
ελης τοιου[τ]
καὶ ἀπο fragment 2P.Herc. 1612 fr. 2
Sketched 1844 by Francesco Celentano
Engraved 1846 by Domenico Casanova

διαμ [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
λων διαφ [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
αὐτῆς· ε [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
——
οτε κοινῶς [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
5δυναμενο [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
κατορως (οὐκ ἀπόρως)(?) καὶ [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
μενως κατα [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
ροντα τροπο [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
γελλειν   ̣ ητα [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
10μεν κατὰ ῥη [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
αν καὶ τὴν δ [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
του τοιοῦτον̣
  ̣  ̣ ται ἀπο   ̣ [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] fragment 3P.Herc. 1612 fr. 3
Sketched 1844 by Francesco Celentano
Engraved 1846 by Ferdinando Ventrella

[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] ξητη   ̣ , κατ' ἄλ-
[λον δὲ] τρόπον, ὃν ὑπο-
[δέδειχ]εν, ἀδιαληπτεύ-
[ων πρὸ]ς τὰ τοιαῦτα
5[τῶν σκ]εμμάτων πρα-
[γματι]κ̣ὸν οὐδὲν ἕξει
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ νοις ἐστιν καὶ
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ νπροεμων
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ και   ̣  ̣  ̣ ητο
10  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ θιαος   ̣ οιαταυ
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ εγραφισ (ἐγράφη)(?) πῶς ἂν
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ ιφισ   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ αυλων fragment 4P.Herc. 1612 fr. 4
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Engraved 1846 by Ferdinando Ventrella

λαμβανο [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
τῶν ἀμφισ[β̣ητησάν-]
των· σιωπῶ [γάρ, ὅτι]
——
Γοργίαι μέμφ[ονται καὶ]
5τοῦτον ἀξιοῦ[σ̣ιν εὐθύ-]
νας ὑπέχειν ὑ[πὲρ τῆς]
τῶν Ἑλλήνων [συνη-]
θείας, ὅτι π̣ασῶ[ν τῶν]
ἐπιστημῶν κ̣ῦ̣[ρος (p. ητ) κατὰ]
10λόγον ἐχουσῶν   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
τας   ̣  ̣  ̣ η προσα   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
λ̣ι̣ι̣ [ῥη]τορικὴν τ [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] fragment 5P.Herc. 1612 fr. 5
Sketched 1844 by Francesco Celentano
Engraved 1846 by Ferdinando Ventrella

[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩δι]αλεγομένων ἢ
[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] ιαν ὑποδε<ι>ξάν-
[των τῆς ἀ]π̣οδόσεως καὶ
[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] αια τὸ μηδε
5[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] νημων τὸν
[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩τ]ὴ̣ν γνῶσιν τῶν
[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] π̣λείω λόγον
[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] ν ὁμειλία υ
[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]   ̣ μενου δε
10[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] π̣οης   ̣ ημε
[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] παν   ̣  ̣ τεν
[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] τοσ   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ ετα fragment 6P.Herc. 1612 fr. 6
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Engraved 1846 by Ferdinando Ventrella

τ[ί]νος ἐστὶ[ν̣ ἐπιστή-]
μη κᾱτω τωνοντ   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ ,
καὶ πρὸς τού̣τ̣[οις (pap. τοισλ̣) τὴν]
μὲν ὑφαντικ[ὴ̣ν καὶ τὴν]
5μουσικὴν καὶ τὴ̣[ν ἰατρι]
κὴν ὡς οὐκ ἀγν̣[οῶν, πε-]
ρὶ τί ποτε γείνο[νται, πα-]
ρατίθησι, τὴν δὲ [ῥητορι-]
κὴν ὡς οὐ̣κ εἰδ[ὼς (p. οικειδα) πυν-]
10θάν[ετ̣]αι τενολ   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
εμ̣   ̣  ̣  ̣ ους μήτε [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] (cf. Plat. Gorg. 449 D sqq.) fragment 7P.Herc. 1612 fr. 7
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Engraved 1846 by Domenico Casanova

[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] -λινομένων
[καὶ ῥαιστώ̣]νην τῶν οὐ
[πραγμα]τικὰς ποιου-
[μένων] τὰς ζητήσεις
5  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ [συ]νόλως τι
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ [ἀ]νθρώπων
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ α̣ ῥητορικὴν
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ π̣όνον περὶ
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ ι̣υ̣λησθαι (τεθρυλῆσθαι) (?)
10  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ ινπλσ̣ωσ
- ca.9 - τ̣ι̣   ̣  ̣  ̣ μαι fragment 8P.Herc. 1612 fr. 8
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Engraved 1846 by Domenico Casanova

φωναῖς πλ   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
φερομένην   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
ἀλλὰ καὶ νῦν ο̣   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
νων τὸν λόγον [ποιή-]
5σαντες· ὧν ὁ με   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
Πλάτων ἐ̣ν τῶ[ι Γορ-]
γίᾳ καταγεγραφ[ὼς]
φαίνεται λέγειν   ̣  ̣  ̣
ακο̣   ̣  ̣ ι̣ερουμεν   ̣  ̣  ̣
10τε   ̣  ̣  ̣ εγομενοι   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
εδ   ̣  ̣  ̣ ταις αν [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] fragment 9P.Herc. 1612 fr. 9
Sketched 1844 by Francesco Celentano
Engraved 1846 by Ferdinando Ventrella

[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] ο̣ν γείνεται σα
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ η̣τα· δι' οἰκονο-
[μίας] γὰρ εὐαπόλυτοί (p. συαπολυτως)
[εἰσιν̣] αἱ ζητητικαὶ
5  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ αι μάλιστ' ἐπὶ
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ εως συναπτο-
[μένην τῶν] παρασκευα-
[ζόντων συν]α̣(πτομενην)
[τωνπαρασκευ]α̣(ζοντων) α
10  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ ην δὲ καὶ δι
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ των κ   ̣  ̣ εαυ
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ σιν   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ γρα (v. 4 dittographia est) fragment 10P.Herc. 1612 fr. 10
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Engraved 1846 by Ferdinando Ventrella

παρ [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
ν[ε̣]ανικο̣ [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
ευβολιμον (vid. ἐμβόλιμον)   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
μενης ἀποδ   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
5τοὺς δὲ καταγ   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
ζοντας εἰς το̣   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
σφάττεσθαι τ   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
πῶς ἂν αὐτὴν   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
ξεωσιν ὡς μον̣   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
10τς   ̣  ̣ ὠφελιμο̣   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
ες   ̣ δεν̣ηνωνι̣   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
τη   ̣  ̣  ̣ ευσθιαν   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ οπτα [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] fragment 11P.Herc. 1612 fr. 11
Sketched 1844 by Francesco Celentano
Engraved 1846 by Domenico Casanova

[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] στην τούτ[ου  ̣  ̣]
[  ̣  ̣  ̣] συνγράμματο[ς]
[  ̣  ̣  ̣]   ̣ ουσιν· μόνον γὰρ ἃ
[σημ]αίνεται διὰ παρα-
5[βολ]ῶν εἰκάζουσιν η
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ , κατ' ὄνομα δ' οὐ-
[δὲ ἔν· κ]αὶ μετὰ ταῦτα
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ ρατον μὲν (p. μον) ἐοίκα-
[σι  ̣  ̣] ε̣κενακαι, τὸ δ'
10[  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣μέ]γεθος ἀγνοεῖν
[τῶν π]επαιδευμένω[ν]
[  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣] Πλάτων καλλ
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ τ̣αρ   ̣  ̣  ̣ αιθο̣   ̣  ̣  ̣ fragment 12P.Herc. 1612 fr. 12
Sketched 1844 by Francesco Celentano
Engraved 1846 by Domenico Casanova

δια [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
ἀδύνατ[ον φαίνεται]
τὸ παρασ[π̣ώμενον· οὕ-]
τως δὲ καὶ [τὴν πολιτι-]
5κὴν ἀρετ[ή̣ν φασιν(?) οἱ]
ῥητορικοὶ π[εριποεῖν]
καὶ τελωνα   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
αιεμενην ὑπ̣   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
σ   ̣  ̣  ̣ ντυνχαν   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
10  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ α μόνος οὐ̣   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ ναν και γ   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ εἰς λ [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] fragment 13P.Herc. 1612 fr. 13
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[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] καιαπραξ   ̣ λα
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ σ̣υνεστιωνφεσιν
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ ν μέλλω δὲ λειων (λέγειν)
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ νο γράφω(?) τὰς με
5  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ ην ἔχουσιν ε
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ εραιατωμεν
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ εσοντες (vid. τῷ μὲν περιπεσόντες) καὶ ε
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ ν̣ αὐτὸν σαδε (τὰ δὲ?)
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ τα   ̣  ̣  ̣ εμον
10[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] ανε
[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] νιθα fragment 14P.Herc. 1612 fr. 14
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Engraved 1846 by Ferdinando Ventrella

μεν αὐτὴν [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
τινας αἱρη [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
λίαν ἐπιχ [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
τερονται τ[ο̣ὺς  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣]
5λους ἐπιστρέφ[οντες] 6.τῶν ἠλιθ[ί]ων. Νῦν [δὲ δὴ]
——
πότερα προστουσλ   ̣  ̣  ̣
νον τὸν σοφὸν ἢ τουσ   ̣  ̣  ̣
(puto τὸ κατὰ) τοὺς ῥήτορας καὶ τὴ[ν]
10ῥητορικὴν περιπε[ποι-]
[η]μένον τέχνης το̣   ̣
  ̣  ̣ αφροδ   ̣  ̣  ̣ μηδὲ λα̣   ̣
  ̣  ̣ αι του   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ ριτοντ   ̣
  ̣  ̣ ον κα   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ λοσ[ο̣φ  ̣  ̣  ̣]
15[  ̣  ̣] τ̣λ̣ο̣υ̣ [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]

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