Current Edition: DCLP 63230 (ZPE 187 (2013), p. 77-80); TM 63230

APIS: oxford-ipap.apis.2166xml

Title Fragment of a Socratic dialogue
Summary Fragment of a papyrus roll, written in a large, ornate hand. The best preserved of the two columns is in relatively good condition but a few letters are missing from the end of most lines. The column that precedes it only preserves the final letters of almost all the 36 lines.
Citations PSI 11 1215
Inv. Id JE68907
Support/Dimensions 1 papyrus ; 10.3 x 28.5
Origin Oxyrhynchus
More from Oxyrhynchus
Date 1st-2nd c. AD
More from the period between 1 CE and 199 CE
Note (general) Special Register: SR3012
Subjects Literary; Papyri
License Creative Commons License This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 License.

DCLP/LDAB Data xml

Title Λόγος Σωκρατικός
Reference Edition 96748. Corpus dei papiri filosofici greci e latini: CPF. Testi e lessico nei papiri di cultura greca e latina. Parte II.1, Frammenti adespoti. Tomo 1, (Firenze 2019). 28 188-193
Previous Edition
  • - 3394. G. Vitelli and M. Norsa eds., Papiri greci e latini. Volume undecimo, ni. 1182-1222., (Firenze 1935). 1215 56-57
  • - 38689. Marcello Gigante, "Il frammento fiorentino di un dialogo politico.," Aegyptus, 28 (1948), pp. 195-198.
  • - 39063. Reinhold Merkelbach, "Politischer Dialog in einem Florentiner Papyrus.," Aegyptus, 29 (1949), pp. 56-58.
  • - 42807. Vittorio Bartoletti, "Un frammento di dialogo socratico.," StIt N.S., 31 (1959), pp. 100-103.
  • - 86785. Christian Vassallo, "Ein vergessenes Fragment eines sokratischen Dialogs: PSI XI 1215.," ZPE, 187 (2013), pp. 77-80.
Catalog(s) MP3 02098.000
Fragments Cairo, Egyptian Museum JdE 68907
Support Material papyrus
Support Dimensions 10.3cm wide x 28.5cm high
Date I - II
More from the period between 1 CE and 200 CE
Origin Fundort: Oxyrhynchos (Oxyrhynchites, Egypt); Schreibort: Egypt
More from Fundort: Oxyrhynchos (Oxyrhynchites, Egypt); Schreibort: Egypt
Form and Layout papyrus roll (columns: 2, written lines: 36, pagination: 0)
Script Type formal round
Genre prose; philosophy; dialogue
Culture literature
Religion classical
Images ipap.csad.ox.ac.uk/.../1215; psi-online.it/.../psi
Print Illustrations G. Menci, “Scritture greche librarie con apici ornamentali (III a.C. – II d.C.)”, S&C 3, 1979, p. 41, Tav. VII;; ZPE 187 (2013), p.78;; CPF 2.1 fig. 28;
Availability © Digital Corpus of Literary Papyri and LDAB (Trismegistos). This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License .

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Introduction

This papyrus has been digitally edited by Giulia Mirante during a workshop organized at the University of Florence by Valeria Piano (Univ. of Florence) with James Cowey (instructor; Univ. of Heidelberg) and Claudio Vergara (assistant; Univ. of Naples Federico II) within the project PRIN2022-INTEGRATION. INTEllectual miGRATION: circulation of philosophical books and ideas around the ancient Mediterranean through the evidence of Graeco-Roman papyri (CUP: B53D23023140006; P.I. Valeria Piano)

Column 1

1[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]ου
2[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩ εἰ]πεῖν
3[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]υ̣τοι
4[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩].υ
5[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩].πε
6[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩].
7[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]ε̣σ̣
8[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩].α
9[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]π̣ε̣
10⁦ vac. ? ⁩
11[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]πε
12[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]σαι ∶
13[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩].ο
14[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]α̣
15[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]α̣ν
16[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]ι
17[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]ν
18[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]α̣ρι
19[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]ρ
20[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩].
21[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩].
22[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩].[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
23[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩].ου
24[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]ιεμ-
25[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩].σ̣
26[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]νο
27[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]αδε
28[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]οι ›
29[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]δε̣ι̣
30[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]ο̣ν̣α
31[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]τον
32[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩].εριε
33[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]και ε-
34[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]ο̣νται ˙
35[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]ων ›
36[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]ι̣των
37[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]ω̣ ἔπει -

Column 2

1τα οἱ περὶ τῶν αὐτῶ[ν,]
2ἔφη, βουλευ̣ό[μενοι]
3ο̣ὐ τ̣ῶν αὐτῶν δό̣[ξου-]
4σιν λόγω̣ν̣ κα̣ὶ γ̣[νώ-]
5μης τῆς [αὐτῆς μετέχειν;]
6πάνυ̣ μ̣[ὲ]ν οὖν̣. τ̣ί̣ δ̣[έ; ἔφη,]
——
7χρησιμώτερον ἔσ[ται]
8τὸ εἰ̣πεῖν δύνασθα[ι ἐν]
9δημοκρατίᾳ ἢ ἐν ὀ[λι-]
10γαρχίᾳ; ἢ τί; ἐνθάδ̣[ε]
11μᾶλλον ἢ ἐν Λακεδ[αί-]
12μονι; ἦ ταύτῃ δοκ[εῖ]
13σοι ἡ πολειτεία δια̣[φέ-]
14ρειν ἡ ἐνθάδε τῆς [ἐν]
15Λακεδαίμονι, ὅτι̣ ἐ̣[ν-]
16θάδε μὲν πολλοί, ἐ[κεῖ]
17δὲ ὀλίγοι εἰσὶν οἱ β̣[ου-]
18λευόμενοι καὶ ...[. ca.2.]
19τες; καὶ τὴν μ̣ὲν [ἐνθά-]
20δε δημοκρ̣ατία[ς,] [τὴν]
21δ᾽ ἐκεῖ ἀρ̣[ισ]τ̣οκρα[τίας]
22ε̣ἰ̣κόνα α̣[ὖ] π̣οιε[ῖς; πάνυ]
——
23μὲν οὖ̣ν, ἦ̣. τ̣ί δέ;
24ἆρ᾽ οὖν καὶ κιθάρισ̣[ιν]
25καὶ αὔλησιν ἄλλην̣ [τι-]
26νὰ ὑπολήψει εἶνα̣[ι ἐ-]
27ὰν πολλοὶ ὦσιν οἱ̣ [κι-]
28θαρίζοντες ἢ οἱ α[ὐλοῦν-]
29τες, ἐὰν δὲ ὀλίγοι ἑ[τέ-]
30ραν ˙ ἔπειτ᾽ ἔστ⟦ι⟧αι, ἔ[φη,]
31ἡ μὲν δημοκρατι{κ̣}-
32κὴ κι̣θάρισις ὅταν [οἱ]
33πολλοὶ κιθαρίζω[σιν,]
34ἡ δ᾽ὀλιγαρχι̣κ̣ὴ ὅταν
35ὀλίγοι ταὐτὸ τ̣ο̣ῦ̣τ̣ο̣
36πράττωσιν; ἔπειτα̣

Commentary

  • 1.

    In the upper margin, there are six almost faded lines written perpendicularly to the column that cannot be transcribed. It looks like it is the same scribe of the main text.

  • 1.

    The edition assumes the end of a quotation after the word αὐτῶν.

  • 2.

    A quotation starts here (βουλευόμενοι) and ends at l.5 (μετέχειν) according to the edition.

  • 6.

    Two different quotations according to the edition: πάνυ μὲν οὖν and τί δέ.

  • 7.

    A quotation starts here (χρησιμώτερον) and ends at l. 22 (π̣οιε[ῖς;) according to the edition.

  • 23.

    A quotation starts with τί δέ and does not end according to the edition.

History

  • 2025-04-14T06:09:21-04:00 [ClaudioVergara]: Finalized - Ready.
  • 2025-04-14T06:07:30-04:00 [ClaudioVergara]: Vote - Accept-Straight-to-Finalization - Acknowledged changes in the introductory matter.
  • 2025-04-14T06:05:13-04:00 [ClaudioVergara]: Submit - Introductory matter updated.
  • 2025-04-09T16:42:21-04:00 [ClaudioVergara]: Finalized - Ready to go.
  • 2025-04-09T16:42:20-04:00 [ClaudioVergara]: Finalized - Ready to go.
  • 2025-04-09T10:14:10-04:00 [ClaudioVergara]: General - As for the information <D=.1.column <= (6,ms, perpendicular)(Lines: 6 non transcribed), which was present in the first submission, I have added a note in the Commentary at col. 1 l. 1.
  • 2025-04-09T10:14:10-04:00 [ClaudioVergara]: General - As for the information <D=.1.column <= (6,ms, perpendicular)(Lines: 6 non transcribed), which was present in the first submission, I have added a note in the Commentary at col. 1 l. 1.
  • 2025-04-09T10:03:13-04:00 [ClaudioVergara]: General - Adding all the bibliographical entries.
  • 2025-04-09T10:03:13-04:00 [ClaudioVergara]: General - Adding all the bibliographical entries.
  • 2025-04-09T09:58:41-04:00 [ClaudioVergara]: Vote - Accept-Straight-to-Finalization - <D=.1.column <= (6,ms, perpendicular)(Lines: 6 non transcribed) ---> Delete this note for sake of clarity (this information, as it is, remains obscure for DCLP's users) Change everywhere “edd.pr.” with Norsa-Vitelli col. 1 l. 3 <:[.?]υ̣τοι|ed|<:[ο]ὗ̣τοι|alt|[τοιο]ῦ̣τοι:>= Vassallo 2013:> ---> 3. =Vassallo:> col. 1 l. 18 <:[.?]α̣ρι|ed|[.?] ἀ̣ρι 19.- [στοκρατ-][.?]=Vassallo 2013:> ---> ἀ̣ρι19.- col. 1 l. 36 [.?]<:ι̣των||ed||[κα]ὶ τῶν=Vassallo 2013|[.?]ν̣ιων=Vitelli-Norsa:> ---> <:[.?]ι̣των||ed||[.?][κα]ὶ τῶν=Vassallo e.g.|[.?]π̣ων=non excepit Vassallo|[.?]ν̣ιων=Vitelli-Norsa:> col. 1 l. 29 [.?]δε̣ι̣ ---> [.?]<:δε̣ι̣|ed|δη̣30.-[μοκρατ-][.?]=Vassallo ex. gr.:> col. 1 l. 37 [.?]ω̣ ἔπει ---> <:[.?]ω̣ ἔπει|ed|[.?][τί π]ω̣ ἔπει1.-τα=Vassallo e.g.:> col. 2 l. 3 <:δό̣[ξου]4.- σιν|ed|δο̣4.- [κοῦ]σιν=Vitelli-Norsa:> ---> <:δό̣[ξου]4.- σιν|ed|δο̣[κοῦ]4.- σιν=Vitelli-Norsa:> col. 2 l. 5 [αὐτῆς <:μετέχειν||ed||εἶναι=Vitelli-Norsa, Gigante|δεῖσθαι=Merkelbach, Bartoletti, Guida:>;] ---> [αὐτῆς] <:[μετέχειν;]||ed||[εἶναι;]=Vitelli-Norsa, Gigante|δεῖσθαι;=Merkelbach, Bartoletti, Guida:> col. 2 l. 7 <:ἔσ[ται]|ed|ἔσ[τι]=Merkelbach:> col. 2 l. 17 <:β̣[ου]18.- λευόμενοι||ed||β̣[ου]18.- λευόμενοι=Bartoletti| π[ολι]18.- τευόμενοι=Vitelli-Norsa, Merkelbach, Gigante:> ---> <:β̣[ου]18.- λευόμενοι=Bartoletti|ed|π[ολι]18.- τευόμενοι=Vitelli-Norsa, Merkelbach, Gigante:> col. 2 l. 19 added ; (question mark) col. 2 l. 22 <:ε̣ἰ̣κόνα α̣[ὖ] π̣οιε[ῖς; πάνυ]||ed||ε̣ἴ̣π̣οις̣ ἄ[ν .].1οιε.1[.?]= Vitelli-Norsa|ε̣ἴ̣π̣οις̣ ἄ[ν; οὐκ] οἴε[ι]=Gigante|εἴποις ἄ[ν; ἢ τί] οἴε[ι]=Merkelbach|ὀ̣ν̣ομά̣ζ̣[ει]ν̣ οἴε[ι]=Bartoletti|[πάνυ]=Merkelbach, Bartoletti|[τί]=Gigante:> ---> <:ε̣ἰ̣κόνα α̣[ὖ] π̣οιε[ῖς; πάνυ]=α̣[ὖ] Hammerstaedt per litt. ap. Vassallo 2013 ||ed||ε̣ἴ̣π̣οις̣ ἄ[ν .1].1οιε.1[.?]=Vitelli-Norsa|ε̣ἴ̣π̣οις̣ ἄ[ν; οὐκ] οἴε[ι τί]=Gigante|εἴποις ἄ[ν; ἢ τί] οἴε[ι πάνυ]=Merkelbach|ὀ̣ν̣ομά̣ζ̣[ει]ν̣ οἴε[ι πάνυ]=Bartoletti:> col. 2 l. 23 <:μὲν οὖ̣ν, ἦ̣. τ̣ί δέ;||ed||μενοι̣ν̣.2 δὲ.1[- - -]= edd.pr > <:μὲν οὖ̣ν, ἦ̣. τ̣ί δέ;||ed||μενοι̣ν̣.2 δὲ.1[.?]=Vitelli-Norsa col. 2 l. 30 ἔ[φη,]||ed||επειτεστι̣αιε̣[‒]=Vitelli-Norsa ---> ἔ[φη,]||ed||επειτεστι̣αιε̣[.?]=Vitelli-Norsa col. 2 l. 31 <:δημοκρατι{κ̣} 32.- κὴ|| ---> <:δημοκρατι{κ̣}32.- κὴ=Bartoletti col. 2 l. 36 πράττωσιν; ἔπειτα̣ ---> <:ἔπειτα̣|ed|[τὴν δημοκρατίαν τῆς ὀλιγαρχίας ἔτι κρείττω ποιεῖς]=e.g. Vassallo:>
  • 2025-04-09T09:58:41-04:00 [ClaudioVergara]: Vote - Accept-Straight-to-Finalization - <D=.1.column <= (6,ms, perpendicular)(Lines: 6 non transcribed) ---> Delete this note for sake of clarity (this information, as it is, remains obscure for DCLP's users) Change everywhere “edd.pr.” with Norsa-Vitelli col. 1 l. 3 <:[.?]υ̣τοι|ed|<:[ο]ὗ̣τοι|alt|[τοιο]ῦ̣τοι:>= Vassallo 2013:> ---> 3. =Vassallo:> col. 1 l. 18 <:[.?]α̣ρι|ed|[.?] ἀ̣ρι 19.- [στοκρατ-][.?]=Vassallo 2013:> ---> ἀ̣ρι19.- col. 1 l. 36 [.?]<:ι̣των||ed||[κα]ὶ τῶν=Vassallo 2013|[.?]ν̣ιων=Vitelli-Norsa:> ---> <:[.?]ι̣των||ed||[.?][κα]ὶ τῶν=Vassallo e.g.|[.?]π̣ων=non excepit Vassallo|[.?]ν̣ιων=Vitelli-Norsa:> col. 1 l. 29 [.?]δε̣ι̣ ---> [.?]<:δε̣ι̣|ed|δη̣30.-[μοκρατ-][.?]=Vassallo ex. gr.:> col. 1 l. 37 [.?]ω̣ ἔπει ---> <:[.?]ω̣ ἔπει|ed|[.?][τί π]ω̣ ἔπει1.-τα=Vassallo e.g.:> col. 2 l. 3 <:δό̣[ξου]4.- σιν|ed|δο̣4.- [κοῦ]σιν=Vitelli-Norsa:> ---> <:δό̣[ξου]4.- σιν|ed|δο̣[κοῦ]4.- σιν=Vitelli-Norsa:> col. 2 l. 5 [αὐτῆς <:μετέχειν||ed||εἶναι=Vitelli-Norsa, Gigante|δεῖσθαι=Merkelbach, Bartoletti, Guida:>;] ---> [αὐτῆς] <:[μετέχειν;]||ed||[εἶναι;]=Vitelli-Norsa, Gigante|δεῖσθαι;=Merkelbach, Bartoletti, Guida:> col. 2 l. 7 <:ἔσ[ται]|ed|ἔσ[τι]=Merkelbach:> col. 2 l. 17 <:β̣[ου]18.- λευόμενοι||ed||β̣[ου]18.- λευόμενοι=Bartoletti| π[ολι]18.- τευόμενοι=Vitelli-Norsa, Merkelbach, Gigante:> ---> <:β̣[ου]18.- λευόμενοι=Bartoletti|ed|π[ολι]18.- τευόμενοι=Vitelli-Norsa, Merkelbach, Gigante:> col. 2 l. 19 added ; (question mark) col. 2 l. 22 <:ε̣ἰ̣κόνα α̣[ὖ] π̣οιε[ῖς; πάνυ]||ed||ε̣ἴ̣π̣οις̣ ἄ[ν .].1οιε.1[.?]= Vitelli-Norsa|ε̣ἴ̣π̣οις̣ ἄ[ν; οὐκ] οἴε[ι]=Gigante|εἴποις ἄ[ν; ἢ τί] οἴε[ι]=Merkelbach|ὀ̣ν̣ομά̣ζ̣[ει]ν̣ οἴε[ι]=Bartoletti|[πάνυ]=Merkelbach, Bartoletti|[τί]=Gigante:> ---> <:ε̣ἰ̣κόνα α̣[ὖ] π̣οιε[ῖς; πάνυ]=α̣[ὖ] Hammerstaedt per litt. ap. Vassallo 2013 ||ed||ε̣ἴ̣π̣οις̣ ἄ[ν .1].1οιε.1[.?]=Vitelli-Norsa|ε̣ἴ̣π̣οις̣ ἄ[ν; οὐκ] οἴε[ι τί]=Gigante|εἴποις ἄ[ν; ἢ τί] οἴε[ι πάνυ]=Merkelbach|ὀ̣ν̣ομά̣ζ̣[ει]ν̣ οἴε[ι πάνυ]=Bartoletti:> col. 2 l. 23 <:μὲν οὖ̣ν, ἦ̣. τ̣ί δέ;||ed||μενοι̣ν̣.2 δὲ.1[- - -]= edd.pr > <:μὲν οὖ̣ν, ἦ̣. τ̣ί δέ;||ed||μενοι̣ν̣.2 δὲ.1[.?]=Vitelli-Norsa col. 2 l. 30 ἔ[φη,]||ed||επειτεστι̣αιε̣[‒]=Vitelli-Norsa ---> ἔ[φη,]||ed||επειτεστι̣αιε̣[.?]=Vitelli-Norsa col. 2 l. 31 <:δημοκρατι{κ̣} 32.- κὴ|| ---> <:δημοκρατι{κ̣}32.- κὴ=Bartoletti col. 2 l. 36 πράττωσιν; ἔπειτα̣ ---> <:ἔπειτα̣|ed|[τὴν δημοκρατίαν τῆς ὀλιγαρχίας ἔτι κρείττω ποιεῖς]=e.g. Vassallo:>
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