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Title P.Herc. 1612
Work Philodemus, De rhetorica 1
Content Philodemus; De rhetorica (peri rhetorikes) (Comparetti)
Reference Edition 83856. Siegfried Sudhaus, Philodemi Volumina Rhetorica, (Lipsiae 1896). fr. 1 fr. 2 fr. 3 fr. 4 fr. 5 fr. 6 fr. 7 fr. 8 fr. 9 fr. 10 fr. 11 fr. 12 fr. 13 fr. 14
Previous Edition 83870. Herculanensium Voluminum quae supersunt. Collectio altera, (Napoli 1876).
Fragments P.Herc. 1612 fr. 1; P.Herc. 1612 fr. 2; P.Herc. 1612 fr. 3; P.Herc. 1612 fr. 4; P.Herc. 1612 fr. 5; P.Herc. 1612 fr. 6; P.Herc. 1612 fr. 7; P.Herc. 1612 fr. 8; P.Herc. 1612 fr. 9...
Support Material papyrus
Date I v. Chr.
More from the period between 100 BCE and 1 BCE
Origin Herculaneum (Campania, Italy) oder Italy (?)
More from Herculaneum (Campania, Italy) oder Italy (?)
Place Stored (Ancient) Pisones,  Herculaneum,  Italy
Form and Layout papyrus roll
Genre prose; philosophy
Culture literature
Religion classical
Images chartes.it/.../1636
Availability © Digital Corpus of Literary Papyri. This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License.

Trismegistos: 62489 [source]

Publications Herculanensium voluminum Collectio altera (VH2) 11 p. 112-118 (1876)
Inv. no. Naples, Biblioteca Nazionale 109038/1588
Date BC 99 - 1
Language Greek
Provenance Italy, Campania - Herculaneum (Ercolano)[found]; Italy[written]

Introduction

This papyrus has been digitally edited by Marcel Moser and revised by Vincenzo Damiani as part of the Project Anagnosis and the Würzburger Zentrum für Epikureismusforschung

DCLP transcription: 62489 [xml]

fragment 1P.Herc. 1612 fr. 1
Sketched 1844 by Francesco Celentano
Engraved 1846 by Domenico Casanova

με
τυνα
καὶ Ὅμηρο[ς]
τι γ' αἰσχροτε̣
5ν̣τυχηκεν
λ̣αινων δ̣
τοιοῦτον ε
δυσαρε   ̣
φοιν ελ
10διδασκατ
ελης τοιου[τ]
καὶ ἀπο fragment 2P.Herc. 1612 fr. 2
Sketched 1844 by Francesco Celentano
Engraved 1846 by Domenico Casanova

διαμ [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
λων διαφ [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
αὐτῆς· ε [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
——
οτε κοινῶς [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
5δυναμενο [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
κατορως (οὐκ ἀπόρως)(?) καὶ [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
μενως κατα [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
ροντα τροπο [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
γελλειν   ̣ ητα [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
10μεν κατὰ ῥη [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
αν καὶ τὴν δ [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
του τοιοῦτον̣
  ̣  ̣ ται ἀπο   ̣ [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] fragment 3P.Herc. 1612 fr. 3
Sketched 1844 by Francesco Celentano
Engraved 1846 by Ferdinando Ventrella

[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] ξητη   ̣ , κατ' ἄλ-
[λον δὲ] τρόπον, ὃν ὑπο-
[δέδειχ]εν, ἀδιαληπτεύ-
[ων πρὸ]ς τὰ τοιαῦτα
5[τῶν σκ]εμμάτων πρα-
[γματι]κ̣ὸν οὐδὲν ἕξει
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ νοις ἐστιν καὶ
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ νπροεμων
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ και   ̣  ̣  ̣ ητο
10  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ θιαος   ̣ οιαταυ
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ εγραφισ (ἐγράφη)(?) πῶς ἂν
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ ιφισ   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ αυλων fragment 4P.Herc. 1612 fr. 4
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Engraved 1846 by Ferdinando Ventrella

λαμβανο [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
τῶν ἀμφισ[β̣ητησάν-]
των· σιωπῶ [γάρ, ὅτι]
——
Γοργίαι μέμφ[ονται καὶ]
5τοῦτον ἀξιοῦ[σ̣ιν εὐθύ-]
νας ὑπέχειν ὑ[πὲρ τῆς]
τῶν Ἑλλήνων [συνη-]
θείας, ὅτι π̣ασῶ[ν τῶν]
ἐπιστημῶν κ̣ῦ̣[ρος (p. ητ) κατὰ]
10λόγον ἐχουσῶν   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
τας   ̣  ̣  ̣ η προσα   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
λ̣ι̣ι̣ [ῥη]τορικὴν τ [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] fragment 5P.Herc. 1612 fr. 5
Sketched 1844 by Francesco Celentano
Engraved 1846 by Ferdinando Ventrella

[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩δι]αλεγομένων ἢ
[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] ιαν ὑποδε<ι>ξάν-
[των τῆς ἀ]π̣οδόσεως καὶ
[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] αια τὸ μηδε
5[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] νημων τὸν
[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩τ]ὴ̣ν γνῶσιν τῶν
[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] π̣λείω λόγον
[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] ν ὁμειλία υ
[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]   ̣ μενου δε
10[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] π̣οης   ̣ ημε
[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] παν   ̣  ̣ τεν
[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] τοσ   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ ετα fragment 6P.Herc. 1612 fr. 6
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Engraved 1846 by Ferdinando Ventrella

τ[ί]νος ἐστὶ[ν̣ ἐπιστή-]
μη κᾱτω τωνοντ   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ ,
καὶ πρὸς τού̣τ̣[οις (pap. τοισλ̣) τὴν]
μὲν ὑφαντικ[ὴ̣ν καὶ τὴν]
5μουσικὴν καὶ τὴ̣[ν ἰατρι]
κὴν ὡς οὐκ ἀγν̣[οῶν, πε-]
ρὶ τί ποτε γείνο[νται, πα-]
ρατίθησι, τὴν δὲ [ῥητορι-]
κὴν ὡς οὐ̣κ εἰδ[ὼς (p. οικειδα) πυν-]
10θάν[ετ̣]αι τενολ   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
εμ̣   ̣  ̣  ̣ ους μήτε [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] (cf. Plat. Gorg. 449 D sqq.) fragment 7P.Herc. 1612 fr. 7
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Engraved 1846 by Domenico Casanova

[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] -λινομένων
[καὶ ῥαιστώ̣]νην τῶν οὐ
[πραγμα]τικὰς ποιου-
[μένων] τὰς ζητήσεις
5  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ [συ]νόλως τι
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ [ἀ]νθρώπων
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ α̣ ῥητορικὴν
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ π̣όνον περὶ
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ ι̣υ̣λησθαι (τεθρυλῆσθαι) (?)
10  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ ινπλσ̣ωσ
- ca.9 - τ̣ι̣   ̣  ̣  ̣ μαι fragment 8P.Herc. 1612 fr. 8
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Engraved 1846 by Domenico Casanova

φωναῖς πλ   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
φερομένην   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
ἀλλὰ καὶ νῦν ο̣   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
νων τὸν λόγον [ποιή-]
5σαντες· ὧν ὁ με   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
Πλάτων ἐ̣ν τῶ[ι Γορ-]
γίᾳ καταγεγραφ[ὼς]
φαίνεται λέγειν   ̣  ̣  ̣
ακο̣   ̣  ̣ ι̣ερουμεν   ̣  ̣  ̣
10τε   ̣  ̣  ̣ εγομενοι   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
εδ   ̣  ̣  ̣ ταις αν [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] fragment 9P.Herc. 1612 fr. 9
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Engraved 1846 by Ferdinando Ventrella

[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] ο̣ν γείνεται σα
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ η̣τα· δι' οἰκονο-
[μίας] γὰρ εὐαπόλυτοί (p. συαπολυτως)
[εἰσιν̣] αἱ ζητητικαὶ
5  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ αι μάλιστ' ἐπὶ
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ εως συναπτο-
[μένην τῶν] παρασκευα-
[ζόντων συν]α̣(πτομενην)
[τωνπαρασκευ]α̣(ζοντων) α
10  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ ην δὲ καὶ δι
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ των κ   ̣  ̣ εαυ
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ σιν   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ γρα (v. 4 dittographia est) fragment 10P.Herc. 1612 fr. 10
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Engraved 1846 by Ferdinando Ventrella

παρ [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
ν[ε̣]ανικο̣ [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
ευβολιμον (vid. ἐμβόλιμον)   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
μενης ἀποδ   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
5τοὺς δὲ καταγ   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
ζοντας εἰς το̣   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
σφάττεσθαι τ   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
πῶς ἂν αὐτὴν   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
ξεωσιν ὡς μον̣   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
10τς   ̣  ̣ ὠφελιμο̣   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
ες   ̣ δεν̣ηνωνι̣   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
τη   ̣  ̣  ̣ ευσθιαν   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ οπτα [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] fragment 11P.Herc. 1612 fr. 11
Sketched 1844 by Francesco Celentano
Engraved 1846 by Domenico Casanova

[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] στην τούτ[ου  ̣  ̣]
[  ̣  ̣  ̣] συνγράμματο[ς]
[  ̣  ̣  ̣]   ̣ ουσιν· μόνον γὰρ ἃ
[σημ]αίνεται διὰ παρα-
5[βολ]ῶν εἰκάζουσιν η
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ , κατ' ὄνομα δ' οὐ-
[δὲ ἔν· κ]αὶ μετὰ ταῦτα
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ ρατον μὲν (p. μον) ἐοίκα-
[σι  ̣  ̣] ε̣κενακαι, τὸ δ'
10[  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣μέ]γεθος ἀγνοεῖν
[τῶν π]επαιδευμένω[ν]
[  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣] Πλάτων καλλ
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ τ̣αρ   ̣  ̣  ̣ αιθο̣   ̣  ̣  ̣ fragment 12P.Herc. 1612 fr. 12
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Engraved 1846 by Domenico Casanova

δια [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
ἀδύνατ[ον φαίνεται]
τὸ παρασ[π̣ώμενον· οὕ-]
τως δὲ καὶ [τὴν πολιτι-]
5κὴν ἀρετ[ή̣ν φασιν(?) οἱ]
ῥητορικοὶ π[εριποεῖν]
καὶ τελωνα   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
αιεμενην ὑπ̣   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
σ   ̣  ̣  ̣ ντυνχαν   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
10  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ α μόνος οὐ̣   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ ναν και γ   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ εἰς λ [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] fragment 13P.Herc. 1612 fr. 13
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[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] καιαπραξ   ̣ λα
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ σ̣υνεστιωνφεσιν
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ ν μέλλω δὲ λειων (λέγειν)
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ νο γράφω(?) τὰς με
5  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ ην ἔχουσιν ε
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ εραιατωμεν
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ εσοντες (vid. τῷ μὲν περιπεσόντες) καὶ ε
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ ν̣ αὐτὸν σαδε (τὰ δὲ?)
  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ τα   ̣  ̣  ̣ εμον
10[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] ανε
[⁦ -ca.?- ⁩] νιθα fragment 14P.Herc. 1612 fr. 14
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μεν αὐτὴν [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
τινας αἱρη [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
λίαν ἐπιχ [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]
τερονται τ[ο̣ὺς  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣]
5λους ἐπιστρέφ[οντες] 6.τῶν ἠλιθ[ί]ων. Νῦν [δὲ δὴ]
——
πότερα προστουσλ   ̣  ̣  ̣
νον τὸν σοφὸν ἢ τουσ   ̣  ̣  ̣
(puto τὸ κατὰ) τοὺς ῥήτορας καὶ τὴ[ν]
10ῥητορικὴν περιπε[ποι-]
[η]μένον τέχνης το̣   ̣
  ̣  ̣ αφροδ   ̣  ̣  ̣ μηδὲ λα̣   ̣
  ̣  ̣ αι του   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ ριτοντ   ̣
  ̣  ̣ ον κα   ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣  ̣ λοσ[ο̣φ  ̣  ̣  ̣]
15[  ̣  ̣] τ̣λ̣ο̣υ̣ [⁦ -ca.?- ⁩]

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